# Next Big Shift in AI with Noel Hurley Last updated: 31 October 2025 In a wide-ranging and thought-provoking conversation, our CEO Noel Hurley has appeared on the _Project Flux_ podcast to discuss what could be the next big shift in artificial intelligence. Hosted by James Garner, this latest episode follows on from Hurley's recent appearance where he [discussed the future of AI](https://www.literal-labs.ai/press/noel-hurley-london-futurists-podcast.html) with David Wood and Calum Chace. In this new episode, Noel speaks about the journey from ARM to founding Literal Labs, how logic-based models like Tsetlin Machines are reframing what’s possible in AI, and why explainability and human context must be central to AI’s next phase. With use cases ranging from logistics to [decision intelligence](https://www.literal-labs.ai/decision-intelligence/), Noel offers a compelling argument for why the future of AI won’t just be about faster models—it will be about better, more trustworthy, and more productive ones. Watch the full episode below: ### More Visit '[Noel Hurley explains the next big shift in artificial intelligence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSqNhgo5myQ)' to watch the video in full. 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